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The sinking of the White Ship.

Several of my children’s ancestors were among the hundreds who perished in the sinking of the White Ship off Barfleur, France in 1120.
The sinking of the White Ship

Depiction of the sinking of the White Ship.

During my years of researching the medieval ancestry of Mark and our children, I’ve noticed a recurring theme. Several of the ancestors were casualties of the disastrous shipwreck of the “White Ship”. Although there were actually closer to 300 passengers aboard, I was only able to locate a list of twenty of the casualties. It is well known though that the ship was loaded with nobles and contemporaries of King Henry I, of England.

Henry I, King of England

Henry I, King of England

The “White Ship” was a new, state of the art vessel under command of Thomas FitzStephen. His father had been Stephen FitzAirard, captain of the ship “Mora” under William the Conqueror during his invasion of England in 1066. Captain FitzStephen offered transport to England on his ship to Henry I for his return to England, but since the King had already made other arrangements, he declined. King Henry did, however, arrange for his son, William “Aetheling” Adelin and two of his illegitimate children to sail on the ship.

The familiar account of the events leading up to the sinking as delivered by the known sole survivor state that all aboard had been drinking and partying liberally and by the time they set sail, most on board were very drunk. It is interesting to note that there are conflicting accounts of survivors. Based upon the “Orderic Vitalis”, some believe there were two survivors, the butcher and Geoffrey de l’Aigle.

Amidst the drunken revelry described by the survivor, a challenge was issued to the Captain to overtake the King’s own ship, which had set sail earlier. Upon setting off, the White Ship struck a hidden rock in the shallow waters of the channel, quickly capsizing and sinking.

Etienne de Blois

Stephen of Blois, King of England

Those on shore saw what was occurring and sent a boat out to get William “Aetheling” Adelin, the King’s son, who was on his way back to shore when he heard his half-sister Matilda du Perche cry out for help and had the boat return to assist. Unfortunately, there were several scrambling to get on board the small boat, causing it to be swamped and to sink. William drowned right along with his half-sister and all the other unfortunate passengers. The common belief through the centuries has been that the Captain, Thomas FitzStephen, upon hearing of William Adelin’s drowning, just surrendered to the waters and drowned rather than take such terrible news back to the King.

As a result of Prince William’s death, King Henry named his only remaining legitimate child, his daughter Matilda, to be heiress to the throne. He forced the noblemen to swear to support Matilda, who was unpopular because she was married to Geoffrey V, Comte d’Anjou who had been an enemy of the Norman nobility. When the noblemen refused to support Matilda after the death of King Henry I, they turned to the King’s nephew, Etienne de Blois and named him King. Etienne de Blois had originally planned to travel on the “White Ship” as well and had even boarded her, but had to leave before the ship’s departure because he became ill with diarrhea.

Mathilde and her husband initiated war against Etienne and his followers to gain the English throne, as her father had wished. This period of civil war known as “The Anarchy” spanned almost two decades from 1135 to 1153 and became a pivotal time in the history of England, resulting in the end of Norman rule.

The closest ancestor to my children who played a part in the story of the “White Ship” disaster was:

  • Etienne de Blois, King of England. He was the 31st great grandfather to my children.

The known casualties from among the approximately 300 on board, listed in order of the closeness of relationship to our children (if any) include:

  • William the Atheling, son of King Henry I and heir to the English throne – 26th great granduncle to my children.
  • Mathilde du Perche, Countess of Perche, illegitimate daughter of King Henry I – 26th great grandaunt.
  • Richard of Lincoln, illegitimate son of King Henry I – 26th great granduncle.
  • Godfrey de l’Aigle, knight. – 28th great granduncle (brother to Engenulf)
  • Engenulf de l’Aigle, brother to Godfrey – 28th great granduncle
  • Mathilde de Blois, sister to Stephen de Blois, King of England and wife of Richard d’Avranches – 31st great grandaunt
  • Robert Mauduit, nobleman. – 31st great granduncle
  • Richard d’Avranches, 2nd Earl of Chester, nobleman. – 1st cousin 31 times removed
  • Outher d’Avranches, brother of Richard, Earl of Chester. – 1st cousin, 31 times removed
  • Geoffrey Riddell, Lord of the Judiciary, nobleman.  – 2nd cousin 30 times removed
  • Ottuel, Illegitimate half brother of the 2nd Earl of Chester.
  • Hugh of Moulins, nobleman.
  • Walter of Everci, nobleman.
  • Lucia Mahout, wife of the 2nd Earl of Chester.
  • Othver, Prince William’s tutor.
  • William Pirou, the king’s steward.
  • Geoffrey, Archdeacon of Hereford.
  • Richard Anskill, son and heir of a Berkshire landowner.
  • Captain Thomas FitzStephen, ship’s captain.
  • William Grandmesnil, nobleman.


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Transcription: Biography of Reuben H. Meek.

The following is my transcription of the biography of Reuben H. Meek, taken from pages 124 and 125 in the “Commemorative Biographical Record.”



[Last paragraphs of another unrelated biography]

Biography of Reuben H. Meek

Transcription of a biography of Reuben H. Meek.

REUBEN H. MEEK. Among the sturdy Scotch who came from Edinburgh, Scotland, to America before the Revolutionary war, was Rebert Meek and his family, who located in Maryland. From there six of his sons enlisted in the war of Independence, and three of them gave up their lives for their country. John and William were taken prisoners, and while their fate was never definitely known, it was generally supposed they were among the victims that were fed on lime bread. Jonathan Wales, their body servant, as he was called, watched the prison until he saw two boxes of unusual length carried out; then he was convinced they were dead, as the Meeks were remarkably tall, one being six feet seven inches, and the other six feet four inches high. A third brother, Robert, was killed in battle.

Capt. George Meek entered the service with his brothers. The father, Robert Meek, owned property in Cumberland county in 1761. The family of George Meek lived near Lewistown (now Miflin county) in 1780, and he came into Centre county with James Harris on a surveying expedition in 1784. On the 21st of January, 1790, he took up a tract of land in Ferguson township, which is still owned by the Meeks. His children were: Mary, John, Robert, David, William, Sarah, Isabella and Jane.

William married Elizabeth Breckinridge, whose family had settled in Huntingdon county about three miles southeast of McConnellstown, on the road leading from Huntingdon to Bedford, and where the father, eldest sister and younger brother had been murdered by the Indians. He settled on that part of his father’s tract now known as the David G. Meek farm, and died in 1806, leaving his wife and four sons and a daughter born three months after the father’s death. The children were: John B., born June 5, 1797, died in Washington, D. C., November 28, 1868; George W., born September 14, 1799, died May 27, 1877; Reuben H.; William.; and Harriet Jane, who married James McCartney, and died in Bolivar, Penn., in I881.

Reuben Heron, the third child of William and Elizabeth Breckinridge Meek, was born on the 6th of October, 1801, at his father’s home in Ferguson township. His mother, a woman of wonderful energy and ability, coveted for her children a good education, and gave them the best she could; John and Reuben were sent to Lewistown to school, but she compelled her boys, each one, except George, who looked after the farm, to learn a trade. Reuben she apprenticed to a blacksmith. Some time after learning his trade he went to Philipsburg where he taught school, and studied with his brother John, who lived there. He began the study of medicine in the office of Dr. Lorraine; but was obliged finally to give up his cherished plan of becoming a physician, on account of his health, broken by sickness. In 1832 he married Mary Ann Gray, youngest daughter of Peter Gray, one of the pioneers of Patton township, and settled on a part of the old Gray homestead, where he lived until his death, March 7, 1873.

Few men are endowed with a nature so affectionate and lovable, a mind so clear and bright, an exceptional memory, a personality pleasing and attractive, and so great a love of humor. Fond of books, he was a careful and a constant



Transcription of a biography of Reuben H. Meek.

Transcription of a biography of Reuben H. Meek.

reader, an excellent talker, and his sweet voice and genial presence linger yet in the memory of those who “heard him sing at camp meetings, address an assembly, or relate a good story. As long as he lived he was genuinely kind to every one, and ever considerate of others. His home, ever a pleasant meeting place for his friends, was always open to the needy and distressed. In politics he was an ardent Democrat, and loved his party; but his devotion to its principles were actuated by honest conviction. He never aspired to an office nor would he accept any. Converted at the age of seventeen, he was a thorough and loyal and lifelong Methodist, especially concerned about immortal things, holding both God and man near his heart, and giving himself out in the interest of both. He was instrumental in organizing the first Sabbath-school in Half Moon Valley, and was devoted to the work always.

On April 14th, five weeks after his death, his wife died, in the fifty-sixth year of her age. She was well known for her beauty in her younger days, and all through her life, hospitality, gentleness, unselfishness and devotion to duty distinguished her character.

[First paragraphs of another unrelated biography.]


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Transcription: Biography of Joan Antrobus

Antrobus, Joan; The Great Migration Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635; Vol I; A to B (1)

Biography of Joan Antrobus – The Great Migration – Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol I., page 67.

Following is my transcription of the biography of Joan Antrobus taken from pages 67 to 69 of The Great Migration – Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol I.

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ORIGIN: St Albans, Hertfordshire

ESTATE: On 16 May 1614, administration on the estate of Walter Antrobus of St Albans was granted to “]ane Antrobus, his widow”
[Archdeaconry of St Albans, Diocese of London, Admon Act Book, 1574-1638].

Antrobus, Joan; The Great Migration Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635; Vol I; A to B (2)

Biography of Joan Antrobus – The Great Migration – Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol I., page 68.


The Great Migration

BIRTH: About 1567 based on date of marriage.
DEATH: 1635 or later, perhaps in New England.
MARRIAGE: Joan Arnold married at St Albans 8 February 1586/7 Walter Antrobus [St Albans PR 135]. He was buried at St Albans 5 April 1614 [St Albans PR 2.04].

CHILDREN (all baptized St Albans, Hertfordshire):

i WILLIAM, bp. 2.5 June 1587 [St Albans PR 25]; m. St Albans 6 July 1607 Alice Denton [St Albans PR 140].

ii WALTER, bp. 1 June 1589 [St Albans PR 28]; no further record.

iii ROBERT, bp. 21 February 1590/1 [St Albans PR 29]; no further record.

iv JOAN, bp. 2.5 June 1592 [St Albans PR 30]; In. (1) St Albans 23 October 1609 Thomas Lawrence [St Albans PR 141]; m. (2.) by 1628 JOHN TUTTLE [TAG 51: 173].

v ELIZABETH, bp. 6 August 1598 [St Albans PR 35]; presumably she who m. St Albans 5 May 1617 John Cowley [St Aibans PR 144].

vi HENRY, bp. 25 April 1600 [St Albans PR 36]; bur. St Albans 14 June 1602 [St Albans 196].

ASSOCIATIONS: Through her daughter, Joan (Antrobus) (Lawrence) Tuttle, this immigrant was ancestress of several members of the Tuttle, Lawrence and Giddings families (see sketches of JOHN TUTTLE, GEORGE GIDDINGS, JOHN LAWRENCE, THOMAS LAWRENCE and WILLIAM LAWRENCE).

In his will of 27 January 1664[/5], “William Antrobus of London Esq.” bequeathed to “William Antrobus in New England the sum of forty shillings for a legacy and that is all he shall have out of my estate” [PCC 11 Hyde]. Sir Reginald Antrobus suggests that this may be the William Antrobus baptized at St Albans 7 April 1611, son of William Antrobus [St Albans PR 46; Antrobus Pedigrees 34, 108], and therefore nephew of Joan (Arnold) Antrobus [Antrobus Pedigrees 12-13, 96]. But the testator of 1665 and the William baptized in 1611 were third cousins once-removed, so the legatee may be another William more closely related to the testator.

COMMENTS: On 2. April 1635, “Joan Antrobuss,” aged 65, was enrolled at London, with a certificate of conformity “from the minister of St Albans, Hertfordshire,” as a passenger for New England on the Planter [Hotten 45]. No record of Joan Antrobus has been found in New England. She may have chosen at the last minute not to make the trip, or she may have died

Antrobus, Joan; The Great Migration Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635; Vol I; A to B (3)

Biography of Joan Antrobus – The Great Migration – Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Vol I., page 69.


Joan Antrobus

aboard ship. It she did make the passage to New England, she probably resided in Ipswich with her daughter and son-in-law.

BIBLIOGRAPHIC NOTE: In 1929 Sir Reginald L. Antrobus published extensive information on the Antrobus families of England, including data relating to the branch of interest to us here [Sir Reginald L. Antrobus, /introbus Pedigrees: The Story of a Cheshire Family (London 192.9), 12-13, 96-9'7 (cited above as Antrobus Pedigrees)]. In 1941 Mary Walton Ferris published a brief account of ]oan Antrobus [Dawes-Gates 1:64-65].


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What happened to civility and cooperation in genealogy research?

The vast majority of my interactions with regard to my own genealogical research and that of fellow genealogists has been friendly, cooperative and extremely helpful. Infrequently, however, I have been in a position to wonder what is happening to the culture of civility and cooperation in genealogy research?


Debate and controversy are good. Rudeness and harassment are not.

Although there have been small incidents that could be termed problematic, there were two situations which could be characterized as ongoing harassment.

I have been actively researching 4-8 hours per day for almost twenty years and have amassed a database of about 122,000 individuals.

Of these, about 20% are without sources and notes, and could be considered speculative at best. Now here it is important to note that I have thousands of sources and images that are not yet attached to individuals. This is because I choose to make good use of my subscription dollar and save the sources I find to an ‘unattached’ folder on my computer, while entering the basic identifying information into my database.

When my subscription expires, I then take several months to attach the sources found to the individuals in the database. The result is that a number of the seemingly ‘unsourced’ individuals do have sources that have simply not been entered as yet.

I have been criticized for unsourced individuals being included in my database, but I do explain (and have a written policy on the site explaining) that I include unsourced information as the sources may simply have not been entered, or they are used as ‘clues’ to further research. Although there have been instances where the information – or at least part of it – was erroneous, the vast majority of these proved to be valid. All information in my database should be evaluated solely on the quality of the sources. If there are no sources, one can assume it is speculative and choose to not use it.

However, it is important to note that my online database has not been updated in months and I don’t intend to update it in future. This is because of issues with the software using identifying numbers which change with each and every update, causing numerous broken links and seriously affecting performance of the site. If anyone knows of a genealogy website publishing system that allows for access to sources, images, etc. and uses the name and not ID numbers, please do let me know.

If you find a line you’re researching in my database online, feel free to contact me to inquire if I have any unentered sources, images or other information. I will gladly foward them and/or a gedcom of that particular branch.

I do, however, intend to transcribe sources on Empty Nest Genealogy, and these will include sources that are not actually entered into the online database, thereby making them available anyway. This will be a slow process, but I am working on it.

Now, back to these incidents.

Incident #1

What's happening to civility and cooperation in genealogy research?

Chart illustrating my family’s connection to the Hubbell / Keller lineage. (Click on the image to see it in full size.)

The first of these occurred about a year ago when a woman named ‘Barbara’ emailed me about my efforts researching the family of James Harmond Reynolds, which includes extensive Hubbell and Keller lines. To illustrate our connection, the mother of my husband’s father and older brother remarried after a divorce to Harmond James Reynolds, whose mother was Elizabeth Keller (see chart).

She berated me for using any Hubbell data as, according to her, we are not connected to the Hubbell lineage. Following is the copied and pasted email string to illustrate.

…I am contacting you, as you appear to be the link for the Blythe Family Tree on “Our Famiy History”  and you have the data of “The Descendants of Nehemiah Hubble and Lucretia Welton” included.  As I am the keeper of this information and this work is copyright protected, I am curious as to why you have included it.  There are only 12 “BLYTH” names in the book so if this means you are connected to one of them I would be interested in having your information.

What is very stressful, is that for whatever reason, be it a computer glitch or input, you have a number of inaccurate pieces of data and these inaccurate bits are not reflected in the book.

My request is simply that you remove the links to “The Descendants of Nehemiah Hubble and Lucretia Welton” or at least only show your direct relationship back to it.  As an organization we have worked very hard, for many years, getting the family data as correct as possible and again, very distressing to see it used in this way with so much incorrect data portrayed as though it comes from us…


…I am sorry you feel this way. My father-in-law, Marshall Blythe is the step-son to James Reynolds and half-brother to William and Helen Reynolds, who are related to the Kellers and Hubbles. You can see the connection in the database.

Just because I have cited your publication does not mean it was used as the source for all of the data and sometimes where the data of more than one source conflicts, I have to choose what appears to be the most accurate data. You will see that there are several sources cited for each individual and/or fact – and not just yours. Are you positive the information you have is actually the correct information? Also, citing a publication as a source is not an infringement of copyright.

I would, however, like to know what information is incorrect and I will work to correct it. Unfortunately, in the exchange of genealogy information, mistakes do happen and I apologize for any that may exist in this data.

Without specific information about errors you have found, I will have to rework the data to try and find the errors you speak of. This could take a quite a while…


I can appreciate you entering the lineage back from your father-in-law relating to the Keller’s and Hubble’s but since you aren’t doing the actual research for the entire HUBBLE descendants of Rawdon – and I am – and I was the person who did the work for the publication of The Descendants of Nehemiah Hubble & Lucretia Welton AND published a corrections booklet to the book in 2005 AND have maintained updating the Corrections – yes, I suspect I am more certain of the facts of the family than you.No, you are correct that citing a publication as a source is not an infringement of copyright, however, we hobby genealogists also need to encourage a level of ethics in our use of material produced by others. I stand by the fact that your Marshall (Reynolds) Blythe is not blood related to the whole of the HUBBELL/HUBBLE/HUBBEL/HUBEL/HUBLE clan going back to Rock, England and therefore you should allow that research to be posted by those that do the research for that line.  That research is being done by the U.S. Hubbell Family Association and they also are always actively updating their information and that said, even I do not try to duplicate their work beyond entering the name only of the direct line back to Richard HUBBALL…


I do understand Barbara’s concern over any errors in another researcher’s data, but I object completely to the idea that because one individual started to research a line first, they own that lineage.

I finally stopped responding and was relieved she had ceased emailing me, thinking the whole thing was over. Then I read a post on Dick Eastman’s Online Genealogy Newsletter regarding ‘discouragement of newbie genealogy researchers’ and commented about my own position on including unsourced information. Unfortunately, this newsletter site has been redesigned and no longer goes back that far in its archives, so I can’t quote from it directly.

The same day, there was a reply from Barbara repeating her opinion about ownership and rights to genealogy research, and making a direct slam to me without naming me (and I paraphrase): “a database of 115,000 individuals does not a genealogist make.” Now, I know this was the same woman because she had previously referred to my database of 115,000 being impossible to accumulate.

Incident #2

Gravestone of Evan Dhu Shelby

Tombstone of Evan Dhu Shelby.

The second incident occurred much more recently in response to a post on this site regarding Evan Isaac Shelby, in which much was recounted about his ancestor Evan (Dhu) Shelby, the pioneering immigrant from Wales to Pennsylvania. There has been a lot of controversy over whether the nickname ‘Dhu’ was ever used as it is only recorded as being associated with this individual in anecdotal evidence of the period. However, a later ancestor was also known as Evan Dhu Shelby, as is clearly stated on his tombstone (see right).

A gentleman commented on the post,


Back around 1903 someone made application to the DAR and picked up the ‘dhu’ and used it in their application(s).

The use of Dhu first appeared in an early book by Armstrong in which he provides no basis for the use. I suspect he picked it up by mistake from a poem by Alexander McLachlan “In memory of Sir Ewen Cameron of Lochiel, 1629 -1719″. This is a poem that pays tribute to a Scotsman who went by “Evan Dhu”

Later Janet Schonert wrote a book “Chasin Shelbys” and continued using “dhu” as a middle name in error.

ALL of the researchers who have made the pilgrimage to St. Carron’s church in Wales and have looked at the ACTUAL baptismal records of Evan Shelby(see below) have confirmed that Evan had NO middle name, further, other than the DAR, which has no basis for the use of dhu, Alexander’s mistake, and Schonert who has perpetuated it, no other researcher or author has found any evidence to support its’ use.

The two premier Shelby authorities, Cass Knight Shelby, and Johnnie Mulinax Johnson, along with Shelby document historian Judith Trolinger have debunked the use of Dhu.

Over the years I have tried to educate as many Shelby researchers with the facts, but once the cow is out of the barn….

For you serious Shelby researchers here’s a partial list of Shelby research sources: (and yes, I’ve included those that use “dhu” ….sigh)


1. Notable Southern Families, Armstrong, Zella, 1918, 273pgs.

2. A Report on the First Three Generations of the Shelby Family in the United States of America – by Shelby, Cass K.”, 1927, 26pgs.

3. Sketches of the Shelby, McDowell, Deaderick, Anderson families, Moon, Anna Mary, 1933, 150pgs.;view=1u

4. The Shelby family: ancestry and descendants of John Shelby and his son David Shelby ; pioneers of Tennessee, Galloway, Howard S. 1964, 352pgs

5. Chasin’ Shelby’s [sic] : a basic outline of the descendants of Jonathon, Jacob, Rees Shelby, Schonert, Janet D, 1971, 109pgs

6. Our ancestors and kinsmen: the Shelbys, Polks, McLartys, Perkersons, Tarpleys, and Camps, Camp Max W. , 1976, 128pgs

7. Our Shelbys, Johnson, Johnnie Mullinax, 1991, 209pgs

8. Rees and Mary Shelby: ancestors & descendants, Johnson, Johnnie Mullinax, 1994, 510pgs. (This book is THE Gold Standard, most exhaustive and best researched for Phillip Selby/Shelby’s line)

Now, I don’t have any issue with the above comments as they are succinct, illustrating his reasons for believing the name Dhu is inaccurate, but I responded with my reasons for choosing to leave the nickname Dhu in the database while explaining the controversy surrounding the name in the notes.

My response included:

Anything entered in my database that is not supported by a source is described as such. Where ‘family stories’ are unsubstantiated, they are identified as such. I clearly identify all my sources and unfortunately, if I have a document source, it takes precedence over word of mouth evidence that is anything but first party…

Only to receive a response back from him:

“I would love to see any documentary source that contradicts the information I’ve already sourced. The information I have that is not sourced and disagrees with the information you’ve provided will be changed.”

How can I prove a negative ?

There IS no document that supports/proves that Evan had “Dhu” as a middle name.

On the other hand, Evan’s ACTUAL baptismal/christening documents at St. Caron’s church, transcribed in Judy Trolinger’s notes that I provided are indeed PROOF of his real name. (See posst by Jef SHELBY at Genforum and Ancestry as he too has inspected the ACTUAL documents from the 1700′s).

Still believing that the absense of a name on a birth certificate is not definitive proof that it was not used, I responded again:

I have only ever referred to ‘Dhu’ in brackets or quotes in my database as a nickname, which he most likely would have come by at a later age. I do use this as it is mentioned in documentary sources I have found, which include Sons of the American Revolution applications and biographical documents, among others.

I then believed this debate to be concluded until I came upon this thread of comments to a post I made on the site, in which I directed readers to the data, images and sources I had made available.

The first comment was from a different person and he states:

…”Evan Shelby DID NOT HAVE A MIDDLE NAME OF DHU!. A very early researcher threw that one in- It simply means ‘black’ in Galic (sic)”…

The gentleman who had responded to the post on my genealogy blog then responded:

…I have tried repeatedly to help this researcher/historian repeal her use of “dhu”…. …I have posted what I believe to be exhaustive and logical support as to why Evan did not have Dhu as a middle name at… for those reading this post…

The response to him from the first commenter was:

“Dhu” (?) =s DUH!!!

Then there was a response back to him:

Really ? I thought its’ use was DHUmb

At this point, I was seeing ‘red’ and posted the following response:

I’m so disappointed in how rude some (very few mind you) researchers are. This gentleman has refused to accept the fact that I have a difference of opinion on this matter.

I have every right to disagree with Judy Trolinger, as much as her research has been helpful to me and numerous others (and with him) because there is at least one written account of the use the name ‘Dhu’ and since it’s documented as having been used by a later Evan Shelby (I have an image of it on a tombstone), it’s not inconceivable that it was used with this earlier Evan and carried on through the family. This would be considered a ‘nickname’ and would not be documented on a birth record, which is this researcher’s rationale for my being wrong. I may very well be wrong, but since there is some anectodal evidence of its use, I prefer to keep it until proven otherwise. If he would bother to check further, he would find the image of the tombstone documenting the nickname ‘Dhu’ in my database.

There is nothing ‘DHU’mb about my conclusions. As long as I make it clear why I make them in my research, which I do on the main website and his entry in the database site at….

Now, I do apologize that this post has been so long-winded, but I wanted to depict accurately what happened in both these incidents.

As far as I’m concerned, there is no room in genealogy for kingdomship, lack of civility, and harassment as a result of differing points of view.

I am so thankful that the vast majority of genealogy researchers I’ve dealt with have been pleasant, helpful and led to some relationships with other researchers through my blog and database site.

Please do let me know if you find any erroneous information in my database, but please do include a source or a link to a source as support for me to change my information. I appreciate any help I can get.

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Transcription: Joss family biography.

The following is my transcription of the biography of the Joss family, taken as an excerpt from a compilation of numerous biographies in the book “Cabri: Through the Years”, page 619.
Joss family biography.

The Joss family.


Duncan Joss came west from Quebec in 1909, with the railway, as a carpenter. He filed on his homestead, and brought his wife and four of his family. The eldest daughter, Mrs. Mitchell, was living at Oroville, Washington, U.S.A. by this time. George went on to Victoria, B.C. The youngest daughter, Verda, married Mack Mclntyre, a grain buyer in Cabri. She passed away in 1915. Arthur went to work as a grain buyer and lived at Elstow, Saskatchewan; he is now deceased.

Howard married Annie Paton who had immigrated to Montreal, Quebec from Dundee. Scotland. She had come west with the Oughtreds, working for them for a while before marrying Howard in 1918. They lived and farmed the Joss land until 1944, when they moved to live on the Clarke Moore place now Jim Smith’s just out of town. This was to be closer to town and doctor. Howard passed away in 1947. Mrs. Joss moved to British Columbia in 1948 and passed away in I959. The had two daughters; Gladys, married Walter Gummeson in June 1943 and they have two daughters—Elaine, married to Jerome Haaf, and Lois married to George Seward and one son Verne married and living on a farm in the area.

Gladys passed away in August of 1981. Doris (Mrs. Micalehuk) lives in North Surrey, B.C. and has two sons.



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